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wishface · Aug 23, 2007, 11:14 AM // 11:14

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Originally Posted by quickmonty

Take some time and learn how to use the heroes and henchmen. I find they are better than most PUGs. The problem is that they are no better than the person using them. It sounds like you are still on the starter island. If you are having serious problems there you will find it extremely difficult once you reach the mainland. Maybe, find a nice guild that is willing to help newer players. And you won't find much sympathy here on the forums, especially if you try to shoot down people who are trying to offer solutions to your problems.

i haven't shot anyone down.

im in kourna.

the only strategy worth using with heroes is to send everyone en masse to the same target.

RTSFirebat · Aug 23, 2007, 11:19 AM // 11:19

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Originally Posted by wishface

not getting to 800. getting 800.

er... isn't that the same thing???

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Originally Posted by wishface

i haven't shot anyone down.

im in kourna.

the only strategy worth using with heroes is to send everyone en masse to the same target.

Clearly you don't know how to use heros correctly. You know your able to control their skills at will? Flag them? Set their attack stances? Lock them onto other targets?

Don't take this the wrong way but I think you should check out the builds forums or Guildwiki, get your heros some good builds and learn how to use them?

If you having trouble getting 800 points, you should go back to Istan. You won't stand a chance in later parts of the game when it really gets hard.

Ghost Omel · Aug 23, 2007, 01:49 PM // 13:49

as it was sad before it not hard Yesterday i was Sunspear General at somehting like 4-5k of points 2 hours of play time yesterday 1 hour of playtime today doing quest to get shards from monolith and getting things from Gjhostly scouts(Desolation) I didnt even know you CAN do that before getting 7 points per kill from undead getting 7 points per kill from insects getting 7 points per kill from giants getting 2 points of LB from killing margionited it all adds up to 1000+ points dude you dont know how to play the game and grind never experienced before sorry

efazzo · Aug 23, 2007, 01:59 PM // 13:59

The concerns are valid but then again, it's not that much grind. You should be able to get the points in a couple of hours while you do boring delivery boy quests or unlock outposts that you dont need anyways...

I had to get the needed sunspear points so that i could challenge Morgan's men on Istan. Had to do some delivery work there. Boring. After many hours and reaching level 13 i could finally leave this terrible noob isle.

A boring and bad aspect of the game but overall i like GW. A pity that they make players do stuff that they find boring.

People dont really team up much, that's true. Mostly due to hero teams being stronger than the average PUG and due to how easy most parts of Nightfall are. In the other chapters, people are more likely to PUG - especially in Cantha.

Nightfall seems less demanding than the other two already easy chapters. Many missions are just pointless slaughtering of the same chanceless mobs until you reach the boss. Some are more interesting though and you'll usually find people to team up with for those.

GW isnt a strategical game, it's a tactical game. So no surprise that you wont find any strategy.

Many players love the grind as you can see from many responses in this thread and the developers seem to cater to those players more and more each chapter.

It's still a good game though, and im looking forward to GWEN - not to do all the boring delivery boy quests but hopefully for some exciting missions and a nice story line

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Originally Posted by Ghost Omel

(Desolation) I didnt even know you CAN do that before getting 7 points per kill from undead getting 7 points per kill from insects getting 7 points per kill from giants getting 2 points of LB from killing margionited it all adds up to 1000+ points dude you dont know how to play the game

On the contrary, it's you who is clueless. The OP needs to gather Sunspear points to progress in the storyline and thus he cannot access the end game region yet to get 7 points per kill. Doh.

Ghost Omel · Aug 23, 2007, 02:03 PM // 14:03

OK Lets try Vabbi oh wait courna yeah scouts uhhu Desolation was just as an example it applies to all regions i believe sorry there fella to bad hmm critics are alwasy so naive lol

But in any case dont worry about the Grind just do quests and on the way pick up 'bounties' as it was stated previously

And i believe Realm of Tourment is END game area

rancidgoat · Aug 23, 2007, 02:06 PM // 14:06

if you have progressed this far go to The Depths Of Madness and take the bounty you get 8 sunspear points for each Marg you kill and double for bosses.

http://gw.gamewikis.org/wiki/Depths_of_Madness

Alperuzi · Aug 23, 2007, 02:15 PM // 14:15

In kourna, you should be level 20. Switch to HM and go for bosses after 25 kills. This'll net you more than 800 points in two boss kills.

SotiCoto · Aug 23, 2007, 02:21 PM // 14:21

... If I can get over 1000 points by wiping out Sunward Marches or Marga Coast in Normal Mode with my Dervish.... then getting 800 points is no trouble at all.

Desolation?
Not necessary.
My Assassin was Sunspear Castellan before he even reached Vabbi.... as was my Elementalist.... and neither of them even touched Hard Mode.

efazzo · Aug 23, 2007, 02:22 PM // 14:22

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Originally Posted by Alperuzi

In kourna, you should be level 20. Switch to HM and go for bosses after 25 kills. This'll net you more than 800 points in two boss kills.

You have to have finished the campaign before going HM

.

The OP isnt asking about how to farm SP just for the sake of a new title but for progressing the story line.

You have to get some Sunspear rank after leaving noob isle, most characters wont be level 20 then btw.

800 points is interesting news though. Didnt know that.

Lady Ana Stacia · Aug 23, 2007, 03:37 PM // 15:37

He probably needs the required 2500 for Sunspear General to be able to progress with And a Hero Shall Lead them...Regardless that should take no time at all and honestly, if you've done every quest and are still shy, you obviously haven't been taking the bounty at every opportunity.

As for hero control like everyone else has said, hero's are more often then not better then any pug you can find. It just seems as tho you need work on managing them and making them efficient.

wishface · Aug 24, 2007, 06:46 AM // 06:46

I know all that, it doesn't change the fact. The best strategy is to take targetts down one at a time (as most mobs outlevel them individually and outnumber the group anyway).

Whirlwind · Aug 24, 2007, 07:30 AM // 07:30

Wow please don't skip the rest of Elona lol. Its the best content in the game IMHO... You'd be missing out on a LOT.

SotiCoto · Aug 24, 2007, 09:20 AM // 09:20

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Originally Posted by Whirlwind

Wow please don't skip the rest of Elona lol. Its the best content in the game IMHO... You'd be missing out on a LOT.

It has nothing on Cantha... IMHO...

But I do agree that Elona shouldn't be skipped any more than any other part of the game should be skipped. While you can go main-quest exclusive and skip all the other content in theory.... I'd recommend taking a good look around any of the continents to experience them properly.

Unlike some people I do not advocate quick-playing... [while with some characters I have skipped straight from Gates of Kryta (end at Lion's Arch) to Sanctum Kay in prophecies, I always come back later for the Maguuma Jungle]

RTSFirebat · Aug 24, 2007, 09:31 AM // 09:31

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Originally Posted by wishface

I know all that, it doesn't change the fact. The best strategy is to take targetts down one at a time (as most mobs outlevel them individually and outnumber the group anyway).

Again read my post, you not going to last 5 mins in the end game areas if they try to use that tactic.

shanaya · Aug 24, 2007, 09:35 AM // 09:35

I have found that the most fun strategy when needing to 'grind' for sunspear or lightbringer points is to try to combine the grind with something else. For example, you could set yourself the task of completely mapping an area - helps towards cartography title. Or, take a look an area in Guildwiki and find out if there are any useful elite skills you can capture while getting sunspear points. Similarly you could find out if there any useful items to collect that can be traded in for collectors weapons - as an example of this, the popular sunspear farming area just east of Yohlon Haven in Arkjok Ward can produce lots of insect carapaces that can be swapped for good collectors weapons etc.

I am currently grinding LB points in Mirror Of Lys with one of my newer characters and combining it with chest opening and ID'ing gold items.

quickmonty · Aug 24, 2007, 09:44 AM // 09:44

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Originally Posted by wishface

I know all that, it doesn't change the fact. The best strategy is to take targetts down one at a time (as most mobs outlevel them individually and outnumber the group anyway).

I don't understand your problem. You target something and your heroes/henchmen attack that target. So, if it's the best tactic, then there should be no problem. Gang up on one target, take it down fast and move on to next target. As you have seen from reading the replies here, a lot of people have done it. There isn't a mission in Tyria, Cantha or Elona that I haven't done with just hero/hench team. I suggest you go back to an easier area and practice with the hench/hero team.

willypiggy · Aug 24, 2007, 12:36 PM // 12:36

ok listen, it is only in NF there is a grind, there is a very small one in Factions but that can be fun and you get something useful, unlike the just the sunspear title. I think grinding is only horrible if you make it horrible, i mean dont just sit there in one go, grind 1/4 of your target then watch TV, play another game, play a board game (I love those things ^^) or go out for a walk. But seriousley, if your having trouble getting 800 points you will have trouble for the rest of the game. it'll seem really easy if you had of gotten the bountys in the first place, you would either not have to grind or only get like 100 points.

Ghryphon · Aug 24, 2007, 01:03 PM // 13:03

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Originally Posted by wishface

charming attitude.

i thought guild wars wasn't about grinding and all the boring stuff other online games make you do.

GW is NOT about grinding.

Its optional, you dont need to to advance in this game, and if you choose to grind out certain titles and so on, thats at your decision, not because you are required to by the game

GW is rather ground breaking in being the the only massive online to not require high lvl grinding and stuff like that

My 2 cents

I dont mean to step all over you by the way so dont take it that way, just speakin out

wishface · Aug 24, 2007, 01:09 PM // 13:09

I don't intend to skip anything. That's not my style. If it was as simple as that, there'd be no problem.

SotiCoto · Aug 24, 2007, 01:21 PM // 13:21

Ok... Wishface?

I don't know what you personally find entertaining..... but I rather like wiping out large groups of enemies.

How about this for a challenge:
Across Kourna... find the way to enter each explorable area closest to the Kournan Soldier bounty.... get the bounty... then charge up and clear out the fort in that area. Keep a count based on the Acolytes of the Gods defeated and count it as an achievement on behalf of the Sunspears.
I strongly recommend saving Jahai Bluffs for last... not least because it has two forts to clear out... but because the one in the middle has the Acolyte of Balthazar. As an extra warning... do NOT bring a Minion Master to fight him. It is suicide.

~~~

Generally though... when I'm clearing an area for Sunspear points, I try to avoid killing anything that I don't have a bounty for. Sometimes just trying to avoid patrols and make your way to the shrine to get the bounty before killing any of them can make the hunt more fun.
Plus of course it is a good way to level up heroes.

Aug 24, 2007, 09:35 AM // 09:35	#35
shanaya Frost Gate Guardian Join Date: Nov 2005 Guild: Scouts of Tyria Profession: R/	I have found that the most fun strategy when needing to 'grind' for sunspear or lightbringer points is to try to combine the grind with something else. For example, you could set yourself the task of completely mapping an area - helps towards cartography title. Or, take a look an area in Guildwiki and find out if there are any useful elite skills you can capture while getting sunspear points. Similarly you could find out if there any useful items to collect that can be traded in for collectors weapons - as an example of this, the popular sunspear farming area just east of Yohlon Haven in Arkjok Ward can produce lots of insect carapaces that can be swapped for good collectors weapons etc. I am currently grinding LB points in Mirror Of Lys with one of my newer characters and combining it with chest opening and ID'ing gold items. Last edited by shanaya; Aug 24, 2007 at 09:38 AM // 09:38..

Aug 23, 2007, 01:49 PM // 13:49	#23
Ghost Omel Krytan Explorer Join Date: Aug 2007 Guild: ----//---//---//-----//---- Profession: W/	as it was sad before it not hard Yesterday i was Sunspear General at somehting like 4-5k of points 2 hours of play time yesterday 1 hour of playtime today doing quest to get shards from monolith and getting things from Gjhostly scouts(Desolation) I didnt even know you CAN do that before getting 7 points per kill from undead getting 7 points per kill from insects getting 7 points per kill from giants getting 2 points of LB from killing margionited it all adds up to 1000+ points dude you dont know how to play the game and grind never experienced before sorry

Aug 23, 2007, 02:03 PM // 14:03	#25
Ghost Omel Krytan Explorer Join Date: Aug 2007 Guild: ----//---//---//-----//---- Profession: W/	OK Lets try Vabbi oh wait courna yeah scouts uhhu Desolation was just as an example it applies to all regions i believe sorry there fella to bad hmm critics are alwasy so naive lol But in any case dont worry about the Grind just do quests and on the way pick up 'bounties' as it was stated previously And i believe Realm of Tourment is END game area

Aug 23, 2007, 02:06 PM // 14:06	#26
rancidgoat Frost Gate Guardian Join Date: Jan 2006 Guild: [XoO] [AX] Profession: N/Me	if you have progressed this far go to The Depths Of Madness and take the bounty you get 8 sunspear points for each Marg you kill and double for bosses. http://gw.gamewikis.org/wiki/Depths_of_Madness

Aug 23, 2007, 02:15 PM // 14:15	#27
Alperuzi Frost Gate Guardian Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: An/TR Guild: Need One! :( Profession: W/Mo	In kourna, you should be level 20. Switch to HM and go for bosses after 25 kills. This'll net you more than 800 points in two boss kills.

Aug 23, 2007, 02:21 PM // 14:21	#28
SotiCoto Banned Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Drazach Thicket Guild: Temple of Zhen Xianren [Sifu]	... If I can get over 1000 points by wiping out Sunward Marches or Marga Coast in Normal Mode with my Dervish.... then getting 800 points is no trouble at all. Desolation? Not necessary. My Assassin was Sunspear Castellan before he even reached Vabbi.... as was my Elementalist.... and neither of them even touched Hard Mode.

Aug 23, 2007, 03:37 PM // 15:37	#30
Lady Ana Stacia Krytan Explorer Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: Germany Guild: Beware of our Temper [BooT] Profession: Me/	He probably needs the required 2500 for Sunspear General to be able to progress with And a Hero Shall Lead them...Regardless that should take no time at all and honestly, if you've done every quest and are still shy, you obviously haven't been taking the bounty at every opportunity. As for hero control like everyone else has said, hero's are more often then not better then any pug you can find. It just seems as tho you need work on managing them and making them efficient.

Aug 24, 2007, 06:46 AM // 06:46	#31
wishface Ascalonian Squire Join Date: Aug 2007	I know all that, it doesn't change the fact. The best strategy is to take targetts down one at a time (as most mobs outlevel them individually and outnumber the group anyway).

Aug 24, 2007, 07:30 AM // 07:30	#32
Whirlwind Krytan Explorer Join Date: Aug 2007 Guild: Wolven Empire Profession: D/	Wow please don't skip the rest of Elona lol. Its the best content in the game IMHO... You'd be missing out on a LOT.

Aug 24, 2007, 12:36 PM // 12:36	#37
willypiggy Krytan Explorer Join Date: Dec 2006 Profession: D/Mo	ok listen, it is only in NF there is a grind, there is a very small one in Factions but that can be fun and you get something useful, unlike the just the sunspear title. I think grinding is only horrible if you make it horrible, i mean dont just sit there in one go, grind 1/4 of your target then watch TV, play another game, play a board game (I love those things ^^) or go out for a walk. But seriousley, if your having trouble getting 800 points you will have trouble for the rest of the game. it'll seem really easy if you had of gotten the bountys in the first place, you would either not have to grind or only get like 100 points.

Aug 24, 2007, 01:09 PM // 13:09	#39
wishface Ascalonian Squire Join Date: Aug 2007	I don't intend to skip anything. That's not my style. If it was as simple as that, there'd be no problem.

Aug 24, 2007, 01:21 PM // 13:21	#40
SotiCoto Banned Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Drazach Thicket Guild: Temple of Zhen Xianren [Sifu]	Ok... Wishface? I don't know what you personally find entertaining..... but I rather like wiping out large groups of enemies. How about this for a challenge: Across Kourna... find the way to enter each explorable area closest to the Kournan Soldier bounty.... get the bounty... then charge up and clear out the fort in that area. Keep a count based on the Acolytes of the Gods defeated and count it as an achievement on behalf of the Sunspears. I strongly recommend saving Jahai Bluffs for last... not least because it has two forts to clear out... but because the one in the middle has the Acolyte of Balthazar. As an extra warning... do NOT bring a Minion Master to fight him. It is suicide. ~~~ Generally though... when I'm clearing an area for Sunspear points, I try to avoid killing anything that I don't have a bounty for. Sometimes just trying to avoid patrols and make your way to the shrine to get the bounty before killing any of them can make the hunt more fun. Plus of course it is a good way to level up heroes.